Alberta Liberals set to rebrand as Liberalberta, sources say.

the rebranding gained some inspiration from this blog…really?…the two are only close in the overhyped ego of your small mind…

I to not want to get too much into how ironic a blogger who calls his blog DAVEBERTA is ticked at Libealberta.

The New in Alberta New Democrats is also ironic too.

Plus, the “Left Leaning Kevin Taft” you can call Kevin many things, but Left Leaning is not one of them. Redford is Left of Taft. I just shows Dave how little you know.

Wade

Yes. I also see the poor typing skills in my last post, Dave.

I won’t be clicking the ‘Like’ button on this one. I won’t have my Liberal Party friends thinking, even at a cursory glance, that I think this is a good idea.

“Daveberta” has a nice flow to it, but “Liberalberta”? Sounds choppier than the waters of #ABPoli.

As for rescinding the offer to cooperate with other parties. Watching David Swann get taken out at the knees by his own party for a good, worthwhile idea was hard. But do those of us who share a similar ideology have to continue to be our own, uncooperative worst enemies? And this isn’t necessarily about merging parties or what happens at election time. It’s about putting many eyes on public policy for a single purpose, and jointly holding the government to account & analysing/advocating for improved legislation. Those of us who lean left don’t have a great deal of representation in the Leg, let’s not be completely divisive with what we’ve got.

Taking inspiration from the totally successful 2004 federal Liberal’s ‘paulberta’ I see.

What a strange action. To rescind your offer to cooperate with other parties. Isn’t that exactly what statesman-like legislators do?

It also seems to be the exact opposite of what the Liberal membership and at least some of their MLA’s want.

I despair that the leadership of the entire “left” or “progressives” (or whatever label we put on the group of socially moderate and fiscally responsible)does not posess an ounce of the common sense that their membership and the voters have. It seems clear and self evident to me that more of the same will not work. There is such a unique opportunity for progressives to unite, and actually form government (with a split conservative movement). The question is whether anyone will have the courage to cease it.

To the Libs, NDP, Greens, PC’s and ABPartiers. Be bold. Reach out to each other. Build a real and functional coalition.

I wish the Alberta Liberals well. But fear the worst. Those that will pay the price for the lack of vision? Progressive voters.

Brian Thiessen

Centrist vote splitters need to unify under one party in the center. NOT ND, NOT TOry. Become the change you want.

Doesn’t a change in the name of the party require a change in the party’s constitution? And assuming it does, isn’t it normal for party constitutions to stipulate that changes can only be made to them at party conventions? Does someone have a copy of their constitution to see what it says about these things?

What’s the point of changing the name if “Liberal” is still in it. Now it just sounds like a cellphone company.

To think I used to vote for these clowns.

Sounds like a tinpot dictatorship from central Africa- the Democratic Republic of Equatorial Liberalberta, led by President Colonel Raj Sherman.

Oh man. I would LOVE to see the focus group results from this one.

Awkward name? Check. Logo that looks like a project that received a C-at-best in Grade 8 design? Check. Color already associated with an existing political movement? Check.

I really didn’t think it would be possible to make the Liberal brand more damaged but gotta love that we found a way.

Just when I think we can’t become any more of a joke…

“He is an intelligent and principled man who I believe would have made an excellent Premier. After he stepped down as leader, my involvement with the Liberal Party ended.

– Dave”

While you whine about a progressive vote split, you have got some nerve, being one of the originators of the very vote splitting you call out. Pot calling the kettle black. What happened to be so horrible that it made you want to leave after Taft quit? Maybe a hug and a kiss can make things better, or maybe people like y_u beed to take a look in the mirror. While you do command a respectful blogosphere persona, you can bet your bottom dollar, you are wasting your time and energy on frivolous, negative endeavors which keep perpetuating the status quo vote splitting. The very bane existence of the blog is proof of active vote splitters, creating the negative divisive atmosphere and whining about the very same vote splitting, that they continually weave. There has been little to no little leadership to build consensus with any centrist leader. Some partyless centrists need to take a hard look into the mirror.

Most centrists aren’t splitting the vote with the tony insignificant Liberals, they are voting for the PC party.

@Brandon Murray
Voting for the Progressive Conservative party is an oxymoron initself. Moving forward while remaining traditional. Sheesh, Alberta voters are so darned confused.

@Bob, fine, I can apologize if I was mean to Dave. The fact remains, partyless centrists have done Zilch to further democratic turnover and renewal, the last election results are irrefutable proof of that. Politically involved people need to turn their backs away stop wasting their brain power on disenfranchised partyless centrists. Fed. Libs have not been given ANY welcoming by the AB cousins. While I think Taft was a great guy, but where was he, where was his leadership, when there should have been some Federal collaberation? Brian did it. That is exactly what needs to be done now. Folks need to realize that any partyless centrist detractors are in fact not even warm to the idea of creating something lasting here. Its playing perfectly to perpetuate the stale AB Tories. Thus, the Liberals are still a chosen brand for left of PC progressives over the AP and ND’s. That may not much in light of the last election, but the fact remains, is the Liberals have shown their resilience as a party, despite detractors and naysayers and Lakes of Fire. Next election will be interesting because the WR is a thousand miles wide and one inch deep, while the Tories have won again on borrowed votes. There is a huge potential for a regeneration of the AB progressives in the centre.

NO, were NOT talking ND’s or Alberta Party folks.

@Daveberta Glad to comment, I’ve been reading for a while. To answer your question: yes the board of directors can repeal policy based on Sections 30 and 33 of Article 10 in our by-laws.

Meh. What’s a Liberalberta?

Hard to reconcile the dissonance of a group so willing to die on the hill as loud-and-proud Liberals, and forsake any cooperation; yet would go for this ‘re-branding’ to muddy their own identity a bit. Odd.

Interesting that those most critical of the wordmark are afraid to use their real names. Every organization has ’em…malcontents who think they could do a better job, ‘if only’. Unions have a great name for them: two-per-centers. The other 98 per cent wouldn’t engage in an obviously-orchestrated smear campaign. They would stand up, identify themselves, and say their piece, pro or con. The ablib detractors who miraculously all appeared on the very same day (fully 5 days after the wordmark was unanimously approved to a standing ovation) likely have enough brains to cook up strategy, but they lack courage.

I really like the new look. It’s fresh and clean. Why not change things up? We are rebuilding, re-branding. Time to Liberate Alberta!!

–Jerrymacgp

The New Democrats have had the modifier New for so long the sould switch it(or just drop it)!

As funny to you as it may seem at the new Alberta Liberal Party Logo is, well new.

Let voters judge.

Wade

I appreciate what they’re trying to do I guess but the execution leaves something to be desired. It’s difficult to pronounce and the individual elements feel sloppy and untested.

I have a hard time imagining, for example, that it could be considered well thought out or good form to have an all green flag as your logo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Socialist_People%27s_Libyan_Arab_Jamahiriya#Great_Socialist_People.27s_Libyan_Arab_Jamahiriya_.281977.E2.80.932011.29

Liberalberta is Liberalfayul 🙁

Just to clear up some minor confusion in the blog-twit world, the new wordmark is just that.

We are still the Alberta Liberal Party, and we are Alberta Liberals, not Liberalbertans.

No one is going to have to pronounce anything. They just have to look at it.

The brand isn’t toxic in Alberta. What is dragging it down is the connection it and many members have with the federal Liberal party. What you need is a provincial organization that is capable and willing to take the Federal Liberals to task when something is said or proposed that is not in the interests of Alberta.
And the organization should review it’s policies by using focus groups where none of the participants earn a living from government revenues and where their income is middle of the road – neither poor nor wealthy, you know, the majority.

Off the top of my head, a few brand names/logos that have been shortened…KFC, DQ, Tims, BK, MNP. Now, name any organization that has recently adopted a longer name, let alone purposely branded itself with a 12-letter tongue twister. “Only in Liberalberta.”

**Get a party votes… my computer is extremely old and slow. Forgive 🙂

I actually don’t mind the new logo. If anything, it’s making people think about what it means to be a Liberal in Alberta. Any publicity is good publicity, when you’re stuck in the political hinterland…

The real question is this: where is the party going? What does the Alberta Liberal Party offer that isn’t already part of another party’s platform? A bit of this, and a bit of that = lame. Liberals have to stop trying to please everyone, stick to their guns, and stand up for a set of values that will set them apart.

You lefties are feisty today!

The fact of the matter is, many of you will wine and wine and blame, regardless of what is done and not done. Damned if you do damned if you don’t. Dave Berta and many others don’t even remember, that according to the media, the Liberals were supposed to be wiped out last election. The Alberta Party did not even get ONE seat AND their leaders stepped down, yet, intelligent, thoughtful folks like Dave keep saying that the Liberals got decimated…go figure, that means the Alberta Party got annhiliated into oblivion. Dave B, still won’t even say that even after the party leader has stepped away! Unreal man. That fact of the matter is, the Liberals at the behest of the voters made a huge sacrifice for the “Lakes of fire” and the PC have borrowed 125,000 votes. Even on the day of the election, in public places you could hear young progressive voters wondering whether they should vote against the Wildrose or vote for the one party that is NOT responsible for some of the problems in AB. The Lakes of fire were enough to scare 125,000 into voting against the Wildrose, the only way to do that was for Progressive, Liberal minded votes to fall on the sword and hold their nose and vote fo the Tories. Despite that, the Liberals STILL landed on their feet, despite being outfinanced, underrepresented in the media, lack of volunteers. These Liberals fooled themselves into believing a new woman leader in the Tories was change. They were wrong. NO public judicial inquiry, NO transparency. More sham reviews and NOW..another raise the P-Sees have given themselves, with the PUBLIC 100% funding of their RRSP’s. Some of you folks and some Albertans are the thickest, densest creed on earth, with the attention span and memory of a goldfish. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM look in the mirror.

Shouldn’t it at least be LiberAlberta?

Because in my honest humble opinion as a proud Albertan is that Alberta should be capitalized or are LiberRajites ashamed of the province?

Liberals, progressives, centrist, what ever you want to call them, have to make a decision to coalesce. The fact of the matter is, we have two conservative parties running this province. It works quite well for those two parties that most progressives are with the Tories and the rest are so divided and split with infighting. That is the in alienable fact. Oil prices are high, the Tories will likely enjoy it until the price comes crashing to earth. As gov’t finances run dry from the debt tsunami, if prices stay too low for too long, that is when people become inspired enough to back another horse. Until, that happens, rest is considered a dog and pony show at the carnival. Folks rebranding happens all the time. BC Liberals have branded. AB Nd’s rebranded and how many times have the Right Wing Party called the Wildrose Rebranded…at least a few. Brand refreshing is a great idea, the fact is, it does eventually work to increase political fortunes.

The whole issue of reversing policy on “collaboration” with other “progressive” parties is irrelevant anyway. You can’t collaborate with another party that isn’t willing to collaborate with you, or to even acknowledge you are “progressive” at all. The NDP has repeatedly rejected any form of merger, collaboration, cooperation, or non-compete arrangements with the Liberals, the AP, or anyone else. New Democrats wholeheartedly reject any characterization of the pro-business, “Tory-lite” Liberal party as “progressive”. The only way Liberals can stop vote-splitting with New Democrats is to tear up their Liberal cards wholesale and join the NDP.

The question of whether the Liberal executive followed party rules in changing this policy is so unimportant it isn’t funny. The policy had no effect anyway, so who really cares how it was changed?

Merging with anybody a complete and utter waste of time. Nd’s, even with coddling and baby sitting from their Federal breathern got less than the Libs. So what election told us was that the ND’s have almost no appeal to most mainstream Albertans. When the Lakes of Fire comments came, progressive centrists were NOT voting against the Liberals brand, they did a fear based vote against he WR and donated their vote to the Tories because they felt this would the best way AT THIS time to preserve Progressive ideals in AB. Progressive voters did NOT choose the ND’s. Mergers only work to further entrench the Tory vote in AB,as the ND’s don’t have a hope in hxll of capturing anything, even with Federal coddling. So those half brains proposing a merger with ND’s are either wholesale sniffing paint and have NO clue, or are in fact trying to turf out the center to help the Tories. There can really be no other explanation such unreasonable, hair brained reasoning, in light of the known voting style.
For the third place Liberals to merge with a 4th or 5th place party to rejuvenate its political fortunes is far worse than having an L on its forehead. Given the vote count and the seats, it makes WAY more sense for the AP or the ND’s to rip their cards and coalesce and collaberate in the center, where MOST Albertan voters ARE. Albertans WILL NOT vote for new parties (Alberta Party) and will NOT vote for ND’s either. This just makes sense folks. For the Libs to merge with 4th and 5th place losers, it better to keep the “L” and grow from the existing position. To do anything different only serves to disenfranchise more voters to hold their nose and vote Tory. What makes the most sense is to get the Progressive voters to leave the Tory party. They will when the situation is right, just ask the Social Credit Party, it happened to them. The best hope against the Tories is to recreate their historical triumph against them.