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	<title>Comments on: pity the billionaire. katz group asks city council for more.</title>
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	<description>&#34;...Dave Cournoyer isn&#039;t some obscure fat frat boy with a sticky-up haircut.&#34; - Neil Waugh (Edmonton Sun)</description>
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		<title>By: Edmonton Mayor takes swipes at NDP, Wildrose over Katz arena funding. &#124; daveberta.ca - Alberta politics</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/katz-oilers-arena-money/comment-page-1/#comment-27007</link>
		<dc:creator>Edmonton Mayor takes swipes at NDP, Wildrose over Katz arena funding. &#124; daveberta.ca - Alberta politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 06:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] City Council to negotiate the investment of hundreds of millions in public funds, instead opting to negotiate through expensive newspaper ads and sympathetic sports columnists. Mr. Katz invited Edmonton&#8217;s elected officials to meet with [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] City Council to negotiate the investment of hundreds of millions in public funds, instead opting to negotiate through expensive newspaper ads and sympathetic sports columnists. Mr. Katz invited Edmonton&#8217;s elected officials to meet with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reclusive billionaire allegedly donated $430,000 to PC Party, making a strong case for finance reform. &#124; daveberta.ca - Alberta politics</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/katz-oilers-arena-money/comment-page-1/#comment-23065</link>
		<dc:creator>Reclusive billionaire allegedly donated $430,000 to PC Party, making a strong case for finance reform. &#124; daveberta.ca - Alberta politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] debacle comes only weeks after Mr. Katz&#8217;s attempted to renegotiate through the media the rich deal his company had already negotiated with the City of Edmonton to fund construction of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] debacle comes only weeks after Mr. Katz&#8217;s attempted to renegotiate through the media the rich deal his company had already negotiated with the City of Edmonton to fund construction of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/katz-oilers-arena-money/comment-page-1/#comment-21492</link>
		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Grinch that stole.... #yegarena #yeg #oilers pic.twitter.com/QhgTw1PP]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Grinch that stole&#8230;. #yegarena #yeg #oilers pic.twitter.com/QhgTw1PP</p>
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		<title>By: Don Henderson</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/katz-oilers-arena-money/comment-page-1/#comment-21292</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 04:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The so-called secret negotiations between the Katz Group and the City of Edmonton seem to becoming more curiouser and curiouser.  Is it correct the terms of the deal that the two parties had apparently agreed upon are now to be renegotiated per the Katz&#039; Group demands, once again in secret?  If Katz has either purchased the casino property or has an option, who will own the land?  And what will the Katz&#039; purported $100 million be spent on?  Is it correct there will be an adjacent practice hockey facility for the Oilers that will also be available to the local community?  Who will finance and own this?  And why would such a facility be built on prime real estate in the downtown area?  There is mention of a casino with revenues accruing to Katz Group?  And a long-term lease by the City for an adjacenty office tower?  This is more complicated than even the sale of the Phoenix Coyotes&#039; franchise, and we know this isn&#039;t working very well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The so-called secret negotiations between the Katz Group and the City of Edmonton seem to becoming more curiouser and curiouser.  Is it correct the terms of the deal that the two parties had apparently agreed upon are now to be renegotiated per the Katz&#8217; Group demands, once again in secret?  If Katz has either purchased the casino property or has an option, who will own the land?  And what will the Katz&#8217; purported $100 million be spent on?  Is it correct there will be an adjacent practice hockey facility for the Oilers that will also be available to the local community?  Who will finance and own this?  And why would such a facility be built on prime real estate in the downtown area?  There is mention of a casino with revenues accruing to Katz Group?  And a long-term lease by the City for an adjacenty office tower?  This is more complicated than even the sale of the Phoenix Coyotes&#8217; franchise, and we know this isn&#8217;t working very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Gray</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/katz-oilers-arena-money/comment-page-1/#comment-20849</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t really fault Katz here.  I mean if I asked someone for a pile of money and they just gave it to me, I&#039;d certainly go back and ask for more.  You don&#039;t mark a well as dry till it stops giving water.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t really fault Katz here.  I mean if I asked someone for a pile of money and they just gave it to me, I&#8217;d certainly go back and ask for more.  You don&#8217;t mark a well as dry till it stops giving water.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/katz-oilers-arena-money/comment-page-1/#comment-20799</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 17:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And Mandell will get that $100mil from the province over Redford&#039;s dead body. That&#039;s not likely to happen at all!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Mandell will get that $100mil from the province over Redford&#8217;s dead body. That&#8217;s not likely to happen at all!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/katz-oilers-arena-money/comment-page-1/#comment-20797</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 17:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do I feel sorry for the Katz Group, no. But it is worth keeping in mind that it is not the Katz Group that will own the building afterwards, it&#039;s the City of Edmonton. Because of this, at some level, I understand Katz&#039;s reluctance to put more money into it when he will not own any of it. I think that is a point that is missed in a lot of the discussions. 

With that said I too feel frustration with the secrecy of taxdollars being thrown around in these negotiations. It should all be public for sure! I also don&#039;t buy the threat of him moving the team. Move the team where? The Oilers, despite their lack of wins over the past few years are the 5th most profitable team in the league right now, at least last I heard. They aren&#039;t going anywhere. Katz is blowing smoke!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do I feel sorry for the Katz Group, no. But it is worth keeping in mind that it is not the Katz Group that will own the building afterwards, it&#8217;s the City of Edmonton. Because of this, at some level, I understand Katz&#8217;s reluctance to put more money into it when he will not own any of it. I think that is a point that is missed in a lot of the discussions. </p>
<p>With that said I too feel frustration with the secrecy of taxdollars being thrown around in these negotiations. It should all be public for sure! I also don&#8217;t buy the threat of him moving the team. Move the team where? The Oilers, despite their lack of wins over the past few years are the 5th most profitable team in the league right now, at least last I heard. They aren&#8217;t going anywhere. Katz is blowing smoke!</p>
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		<title>By: jerrymacgp</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/katz-oilers-arena-money/comment-page-1/#comment-20786</link>
		<dc:creator>jerrymacgp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not being an Edmonton taxpayer, or a hockey fan, I have avoided commenting on this story since it first broke many months ago. However, one aspect of it illustrates a larger issue that does impact the rest of the province (and indeed the entire country), and that is the whole notion of &quot;top secret&quot; negotiations involving the investment of taxpayer dollars.

In my view, every discussion and every contract that involves public funds must be held in the full light of day. If a private corporation wants to keep its business private, it should not seek to do business with the public purse, and should get not one thin dime from the taxpayer. Accountability for public funds demand nothing less.

Whether it be a public-private partnership such as a new arena in Edmonton, or a simple public procurement from a private-sector supplier, once you start doing business with the public sector, your business  becomes everybody&#039;s business. If you don&#039;t like that, don&#039;t bid on the project or procurement, or pay for it all yourself out of private funds. I would like to see this principle enshrined in all public purchasing policies at every level of government, from the smallest hamlet to the federal government, and from snowplowing contracts to military purchases.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not being an Edmonton taxpayer, or a hockey fan, I have avoided commenting on this story since it first broke many months ago. However, one aspect of it illustrates a larger issue that does impact the rest of the province (and indeed the entire country), and that is the whole notion of &#8220;top secret&#8221; negotiations involving the investment of taxpayer dollars.</p>
<p>In my view, every discussion and every contract that involves public funds must be held in the full light of day. If a private corporation wants to keep its business private, it should not seek to do business with the public purse, and should get not one thin dime from the taxpayer. Accountability for public funds demand nothing less.</p>
<p>Whether it be a public-private partnership such as a new arena in Edmonton, or a simple public procurement from a private-sector supplier, once you start doing business with the public sector, your business  becomes everybody&#8217;s business. If you don&#8217;t like that, don&#8217;t bid on the project or procurement, or pay for it all yourself out of private funds. I would like to see this principle enshrined in all public purchasing policies at every level of government, from the smallest hamlet to the federal government, and from snowplowing contracts to military purchases.</p>
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