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	<title>Comments on: Alberta Party decides to remain an Alberta party. Could a Liberal merger be next?</title>
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		<title>By: candace de luca</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/alberta-liberal-party-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-21493</link>
		<dc:creator>candace de luca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 22:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Certainly hope so]]></description>
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		<title>By: Julia Necheff</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/alberta-liberal-party-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-21345</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia Necheff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 06:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the fact the Alberta Party didn’t elect an MLA in our first election, we’re certainly not alone. Some interesting history about the other parties: 

•	The Conservatives have been around since Alberta became a province in 1905 but didn’t form a government until 1971.

The Alberta PC website recounts how the party virtually disappeared from 1935 to 1965. In the late 30s and 40s the Tories formed a coalition with the Liberals to try and oust the Social Credit. In 1940 the Libs and Conservatives ran under one banner and together managed to elect 19 MLAs. According to the Tory website, the Conservative-Liberal coalition eventually came apart and the Tories elected only one MLA during the 50s. The Tories rebranded themselves the Progressive Conservatives in 1959; the PCs and Liberals each only got one seat that year. In the next election the PCs were shut out entirely and their popular vote sat at 12.5 per cent. They elected Peter Lougheed as their new leader in 1965 but had terrible results in two subsequent byelections before they enjoyed a breakthrough in 1967 when Lougheed and five other PCs were elected. Finally, in 1971, the Conservatives won their first election.

•	Dave’s blog of Sept. 22 shows an interesting graph from 1963. The NDs didn’t elect a single MLA for two elections before finally getting a seat in 1971. During the golden years under Grant Notley they won 16 out of 83 seats in 1986 and 1989, but were shut out entirely in the next election in 1993. And for the last 20 years they’ve had only two to four MLAs.

•	When Alberta was created in 1905 the Liberals were in govt until they were replaced by the United Farmers in 1921. The Liberals have elected MLAs but have not succeeded in forming govt for about 90 years. 

So why rehash all this old history? To make the point that the Alberta Party being shut out of its first election – and by that I mean the two-year-old moderate Alberta Party – does not a failure make. History shows it takes time to build a new political movement.

The vast majority of us who were active in the Alberta Party leading up to and during the election recognize this and have chosen to stay the course. Heck, we’re just getting started. I believe other moderate Albertans who want a govt that spends our money responsibly, acts in the public interest instead of self-interest, and has a strong social conscience will come to know and appreciate the Alberta Party. Other Albertans who genuinely want change and are bold enough to try something new will find a home in the Alberta Party and will be welcome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the fact the Alberta Party didn’t elect an MLA in our first election, we’re certainly not alone. Some interesting history about the other parties: </p>
<p>•	The Conservatives have been around since Alberta became a province in 1905 but didn’t form a government until 1971.</p>
<p>The Alberta PC website recounts how the party virtually disappeared from 1935 to 1965. In the late 30s and 40s the Tories formed a coalition with the Liberals to try and oust the Social Credit. In 1940 the Libs and Conservatives ran under one banner and together managed to elect 19 MLAs. According to the Tory website, the Conservative-Liberal coalition eventually came apart and the Tories elected only one MLA during the 50s. The Tories rebranded themselves the Progressive Conservatives in 1959; the PCs and Liberals each only got one seat that year. In the next election the PCs were shut out entirely and their popular vote sat at 12.5 per cent. They elected Peter Lougheed as their new leader in 1965 but had terrible results in two subsequent byelections before they enjoyed a breakthrough in 1967 when Lougheed and five other PCs were elected. Finally, in 1971, the Conservatives won their first election.</p>
<p>•	Dave’s blog of Sept. 22 shows an interesting graph from 1963. The NDs didn’t elect a single MLA for two elections before finally getting a seat in 1971. During the golden years under Grant Notley they won 16 out of 83 seats in 1986 and 1989, but were shut out entirely in the next election in 1993. And for the last 20 years they’ve had only two to four MLAs.</p>
<p>•	When Alberta was created in 1905 the Liberals were in govt until they were replaced by the United Farmers in 1921. The Liberals have elected MLAs but have not succeeded in forming govt for about 90 years. </p>
<p>So why rehash all this old history? To make the point that the Alberta Party being shut out of its first election – and by that I mean the two-year-old moderate Alberta Party – does not a failure make. History shows it takes time to build a new political movement.</p>
<p>The vast majority of us who were active in the Alberta Party leading up to and during the election recognize this and have chosen to stay the course. Heck, we’re just getting started. I believe other moderate Albertans who want a govt that spends our money responsibly, acts in the public interest instead of self-interest, and has a strong social conscience will come to know and appreciate the Alberta Party. Other Albertans who genuinely want change and are bold enough to try something new will find a home in the Alberta Party and will be welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Gunsch</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/alberta-liberal-party-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-21337</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Gunsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 02:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This comment by Martin Levenson identifies a key problem for citizen-based democracy and really merits repeating:

&quot;... because the media pundits and so-called “experts” focus on the minutae of leadership character and personality to the exclusion of all else. Frankly, it’s boring…and alienates people from the political process&quot;

As per many media oberservers, the dominant media approach is largely horse-race journalism focused on the leaders because among other reasons, it costs so little.

Jay Rosen has written frequently about an alternative approach that would actually serve the citizens during elections, an approach developed in the 1990&#039;s but so far rarely taken up the the MSM.
and... Despite the necessary online journalism/ social media capacity being available for some time.

Here:

The Citizens Agenda: A Plan to Make Election Coverage More Useful to People
http://pressthink.org/2011/12/the-citizens-agenda-a-plan-to-make-election-coverage-more-useful-to-people/

and here:
http://voice.unimelb.edu.au/volume-8/number-9/citizens%E2%80%99-agenda
Mr Baker said Fairfax Media was participating in the project because of its potential to explain how social media can invigorate political reporting and journalists’ engagement.

“The more engaged we are the better the outcomes for society, community and country,” he says.

The idea of a “citizens’ agenda” first arose in the United States during the 1990s civic journalism movement.
New York University Professor Jay Rosen conceived a new role for the media — not just to identify problems, but to assist in the search for solutions. &quot;

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here:

http://www.upstart.net.au/2010/08/19/citizens-agenda-what-should-the-pollies-be-talking-about/
The Citizens Agenda: A Plan to Make Election Coverage More Useful to People]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment by Martin Levenson identifies a key problem for citizen-based democracy and really merits repeating:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; because the media pundits and so-called “experts” focus on the minutae of leadership character and personality to the exclusion of all else. Frankly, it’s boring…and alienates people from the political process&#8221;</p>
<p>As per many media oberservers, the dominant media approach is largely horse-race journalism focused on the leaders because among other reasons, it costs so little.</p>
<p>Jay Rosen has written frequently about an alternative approach that would actually serve the citizens during elections, an approach developed in the 1990&#8242;s but so far rarely taken up the the MSM.<br />
and&#8230; Despite the necessary online journalism/ social media capacity being available for some time.</p>
<p>Here:</p>
<p>The Citizens Agenda: A Plan to Make Election Coverage More Useful to People<br />
<a href="http://pressthink.org/2011/12/the-citizens-agenda-a-plan-to-make-election-coverage-more-useful-to-people/" rel="nofollow">http://pressthink.org/2011/12/the-citizens-agenda-a-plan-to-make-election-coverage-more-useful-to-people/</a></p>
<p>and here:<br />
<a href="http://voice.unimelb.edu.au/volume-8/number-9/citizens%E2%80%99-agenda" rel="nofollow">http://voice.unimelb.edu.au/volume-8/number-9/citizens%E2%80%99-agenda</a><br />
Mr Baker said Fairfax Media was participating in the project because of its potential to explain how social media can invigorate political reporting and journalists’ engagement.</p>
<p>“The more engaged we are the better the outcomes for society, community and country,” he says.</p>
<p>The idea of a “citizens’ agenda” first arose in the United States during the 1990s civic journalism movement.<br />
New York University Professor Jay Rosen conceived a new role for the media — not just to identify problems, but to assist in the search for solutions. &#8221;</p>
<p>======================<br />
here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.upstart.net.au/2010/08/19/citizens-agenda-what-should-the-pollies-be-talking-about/" rel="nofollow">http://www.upstart.net.au/2010/08/19/citizens-agenda-what-should-the-pollies-be-talking-about/</a><br />
The Citizens Agenda: A Plan to Make Election Coverage More Useful to People</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Levenson</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/alberta-liberal-party-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-21323</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Levenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, rather than &quot;non-compete&quot;, &quot;merger&quot;, or &quot;co-operation&quot; between parties, which are all &quot;Top-down&quot; solutions to problems that originated at the &quot;top&quot; in any case, why not try something radical?

If people are no longer happy with the leadership and policies of (Liberal, Evergreen, AP, or NDP...pick one), then...JOIN ANOTHER PARTY!  That would lead to a true competition of ideas, wouldn&#039;t it?

I&#039;m not hearing a lot of people at the &quot;grassroots&quot; clamouring for mergers, etc.  I suspect that most of them are just working away(as volunteers, no less!) for policies and people they believe in, and their motivations for doing so are as individual as they are themselves.

It&#039;s the pundits and professional politicos who are driving the perceived need for organizational changes, all motivated by a competition of people, not ideas.

One can examine the entrails of electoral defeat or success all to one&#039;s heart&#039;s desire, but the reality is that IDEAS (even &quot;branded&quot; ones) are what matters, and elections give us the opportunity to examine the pros and cons of ideas.  That&#039;s why so-called &quot;fringe&quot; groups run...not with the expectation of winning, but with the expectation that their ideas will be discussed.  

Unfortunately, this doesn&#039;t happen as much as it should, because the media pundits and so-called &quot;experts&quot; focus on the minutae of leadership character and personality to the exclusion of all else. Frankly, it&#039;s boring...and alienates people from the political process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, rather than &#8220;non-compete&#8221;, &#8220;merger&#8221;, or &#8220;co-operation&#8221; between parties, which are all &#8220;Top-down&#8221; solutions to problems that originated at the &#8220;top&#8221; in any case, why not try something radical?</p>
<p>If people are no longer happy with the leadership and policies of (Liberal, Evergreen, AP, or NDP&#8230;pick one), then&#8230;JOIN ANOTHER PARTY!  That would lead to a true competition of ideas, wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not hearing a lot of people at the &#8220;grassroots&#8221; clamouring for mergers, etc.  I suspect that most of them are just working away(as volunteers, no less!) for policies and people they believe in, and their motivations for doing so are as individual as they are themselves.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the pundits and professional politicos who are driving the perceived need for organizational changes, all motivated by a competition of people, not ideas.</p>
<p>One can examine the entrails of electoral defeat or success all to one&#8217;s heart&#8217;s desire, but the reality is that IDEAS (even &#8220;branded&#8221; ones) are what matters, and elections give us the opportunity to examine the pros and cons of ideas.  That&#8217;s why so-called &#8220;fringe&#8221; groups run&#8230;not with the expectation of winning, but with the expectation that their ideas will be discussed.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, this doesn&#8217;t happen as much as it should, because the media pundits and so-called &#8220;experts&#8221; focus on the minutae of leadership character and personality to the exclusion of all else. Frankly, it&#8217;s boring&#8230;and alienates people from the political process.</p>
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		<title>By: jerrymacgp</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/alberta-liberal-party-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-21312</link>
		<dc:creator>jerrymacgp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few points: yes, money talks in politics. successful fund-raising gets a party and its candidates the resources it needs to run the kind of profession, credible campaign needed to demonstrate to the voters that they are ready &amp; able to govern. A shoestring campaign leads to the perception that a party is on the fringe and would not be able to govern competently.

As for so-called &quot;progressive&quot; parties merging, co-operating, or &quot;non-competing&quot;, one key obstacle to such an arrangement is the view of most card-carrying New Democrats that the Liberals are not &quot;progressive&quot;. To us &quot;Dippers&quot;, Liberals are simply a different colour of cat than the Tories, with very similar corporatist policies whenever in government; indeed, the Alberta Liberals&#039; strongest electoral showing in recent memory was under the late Laurence Decore, when they were advocating &quot;massive cuts&quot; (to spending on public services) in &quot;contrast&quot; to the Conservatives&#039; &quot;brutal cuts&quot;. The Liberals are also just as dependent on big business for their revenues as are the Conservatives. These reasons are largely why this month&#039;s NDP Convention again rejected any non-compete arrangements with the Liberals or anyone else. The only &quot;merger&quot; we will countenance is for Liberals and the others to tear up their current party cards &amp; sign NDP memberships.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few points: yes, money talks in politics. successful fund-raising gets a party and its candidates the resources it needs to run the kind of profession, credible campaign needed to demonstrate to the voters that they are ready &amp; able to govern. A shoestring campaign leads to the perception that a party is on the fringe and would not be able to govern competently.</p>
<p>As for so-called &#8220;progressive&#8221; parties merging, co-operating, or &#8220;non-competing&#8221;, one key obstacle to such an arrangement is the view of most card-carrying New Democrats that the Liberals are not &#8220;progressive&#8221;. To us &#8220;Dippers&#8221;, Liberals are simply a different colour of cat than the Tories, with very similar corporatist policies whenever in government; indeed, the Alberta Liberals&#8217; strongest electoral showing in recent memory was under the late Laurence Decore, when they were advocating &#8220;massive cuts&#8221; (to spending on public services) in &#8220;contrast&#8221; to the Conservatives&#8217; &#8220;brutal cuts&#8221;. The Liberals are also just as dependent on big business for their revenues as are the Conservatives. These reasons are largely why this month&#8217;s NDP Convention again rejected any non-compete arrangements with the Liberals or anyone else. The only &#8220;merger&#8221; we will countenance is for Liberals and the others to tear up their current party cards &amp; sign NDP memberships.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dawe</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/alberta-liberal-party-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-21290</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dawe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 03:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am one of the people who ran for the A.L.P. in the election. 
I experienced first hand the reactions of people at the door (best set of polling I know). 
There was a great shift over the final weekend - many people were genuinely afraid of the Wildrose and shifted their votes at the last minute to support the P.C.s since pollsters and pundits told them that was the best way to stop the Wildrose. 

I don&#039;t resent in any way that there were candidates from the Alberta Party, the N.D.P.or any other party for that matter. 
Campaigns are competitions of ideas. Candidates have to do their best to convince people that their ideas are the best ones. 
Sometimes we get hit with unexpected curveballs.
 
I do hope that the Alberta Party and the Liberals can work out some sort of cooperation or maybe even formal merger.  
I didn&#039;t find that big a difference between the policies their candidates supported and what I as a Liberal candidate supported. 
The N.D.P. is so adament against cooperation that this is no longer an proposal worth pursuing. 

Glad to see this discussion taking place. We need to look at realities and look for the best solutions. Ranting, pointing fingers, falling back onto platitudes etc will accomplish nothing if we want genuine change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of the people who ran for the A.L.P. in the election.<br />
I experienced first hand the reactions of people at the door (best set of polling I know).<br />
There was a great shift over the final weekend &#8211; many people were genuinely afraid of the Wildrose and shifted their votes at the last minute to support the P.C.s since pollsters and pundits told them that was the best way to stop the Wildrose. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t resent in any way that there were candidates from the Alberta Party, the N.D.P.or any other party for that matter.<br />
Campaigns are competitions of ideas. Candidates have to do their best to convince people that their ideas are the best ones.<br />
Sometimes we get hit with unexpected curveballs.</p>
<p>I do hope that the Alberta Party and the Liberals can work out some sort of cooperation or maybe even formal merger.<br />
I didn&#8217;t find that big a difference between the policies their candidates supported and what I as a Liberal candidate supported.<br />
The N.D.P. is so adament against cooperation that this is no longer an proposal worth pursuing. </p>
<p>Glad to see this discussion taking place. We need to look at realities and look for the best solutions. Ranting, pointing fingers, falling back onto platitudes etc will accomplish nothing if we want genuine change.</p>
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		<title>By: Alvin Finkel</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/alberta-liberal-party-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-21282</link>
		<dc:creator>Alvin Finkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 23:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim, Brian, and Susan have all mentioned the need for inter-party cooperation. They are right. Individually, all of the progressive parties in Alberta are a joke and the electorate keeps demonstrating that they know that. But the intransigence of the NDP leadership and now of Raj Sherman (though how much support he has in his party is always unclear) with regards to cooperation suggests that change is not on the horizon. Big fish in small ponds can&#039;t even imagine swimming in the river.

The one group that could break this deadlock, if they were not so divided among themselves about everything imaginable, is the trade union movement. The small group of trade unions that fund the NDP without question and keep it alive in Alberta need to consider what life for them will be like when, not if, the Wildrose becomes the government. If the unions wait that long, they&#039;ll find that it&#039;s too late to reconsider a one-party political policy that has never worked and won&#039;t work in the future (mind you, the complete non-partisanship of most of the unions is an even stupider policy that only starves progressive parties of funds and threatens these non-partisan unions in the long run).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, Brian, and Susan have all mentioned the need for inter-party cooperation. They are right. Individually, all of the progressive parties in Alberta are a joke and the electorate keeps demonstrating that they know that. But the intransigence of the NDP leadership and now of Raj Sherman (though how much support he has in his party is always unclear) with regards to cooperation suggests that change is not on the horizon. Big fish in small ponds can&#8217;t even imagine swimming in the river.</p>
<p>The one group that could break this deadlock, if they were not so divided among themselves about everything imaginable, is the trade union movement. The small group of trade unions that fund the NDP without question and keep it alive in Alberta need to consider what life for them will be like when, not if, the Wildrose becomes the government. If the unions wait that long, they&#8217;ll find that it&#8217;s too late to reconsider a one-party political policy that has never worked and won&#8217;t work in the future (mind you, the complete non-partisanship of most of the unions is an even stupider policy that only starves progressive parties of funds and threatens these non-partisan unions in the long run).</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Stratton</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/alberta-liberal-party-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-21279</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Stratton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s in a name?  For the EverGreens (probably soon to become Greens again), it&#039;s what links us to the network of Global Greens, with a well-established set of principles we base our policies and practices on.  It&#039;s that defining core that the Alberta Party lacks (and arguably the Liberals too).  We&#039;re not likely to give up our name or long-term goals, but it does seem that cooperation with the ultimate goal of proportional representation in Alberta is the only sane way forward for the centre-left.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s in a name?  For the EverGreens (probably soon to become Greens again), it&#8217;s what links us to the network of Global Greens, with a well-established set of principles we base our policies and practices on.  It&#8217;s that defining core that the Alberta Party lacks (and arguably the Liberals too).  We&#8217;re not likely to give up our name or long-term goals, but it does seem that cooperation with the ultimate goal of proportional representation in Alberta is the only sane way forward for the centre-left.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/alberta-liberal-party-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-21278</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Rene

Can&#039;t find where I attacked ALP.  I actually managed a successful ALP MLA&#039;s campaign in April - the only one in Edmonton that the winner was not the top spender.  Since 2004, the total of MLAs has halved and nearly haved again.  The vote was reduced by 100,000 in 2012 election compared to 2008.  Stellar candidates (Goldbar, Riverview) didn&#039;t have a chance, so how did the brand help them?  Only incumbent ALP candidates won.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rene</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t find where I attacked ALP.  I actually managed a successful ALP MLA&#8217;s campaign in April &#8211; the only one in Edmonton that the winner was not the top spender.  Since 2004, the total of MLAs has halved and nearly haved again.  The vote was reduced by 100,000 in 2012 election compared to 2008.  Stellar candidates (Goldbar, Riverview) didn&#8217;t have a chance, so how did the brand help them?  Only incumbent ALP candidates won.</p>
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		<title>By: TomG</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/alberta-liberal-party-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-21276</link>
		<dc:creator>TomG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian T- absolutely right in your words on NDP. Mason just keeps getting his picture taken with Mulcair, driving provincial NDP further and further from the hearts and minds of Albertans. Mulcair isn&#039;t just disliked here; it&#039;s becoming outright hatred. 
But to the topic of the article- Alberta Party is a snappy name brand. Shame there&#039;s no product to sell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian T- absolutely right in your words on NDP. Mason just keeps getting his picture taken with Mulcair, driving provincial NDP further and further from the hearts and minds of Albertans. Mulcair isn&#8217;t just disliked here; it&#8217;s becoming outright hatred.<br />
But to the topic of the article- Alberta Party is a snappy name brand. Shame there&#8217;s no product to sell.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Thiessen</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/alberta-liberal-party-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-21271</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Thiessen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave,

The NDP are trying to spin that they have demonstrate massive growth over the last election, aided ably by some fine bar charts by yours truly. However, the truth is that the NDP are still the 4th party in the Legislature and are confined completely to the Edmonton region for any real hope of election. That combined with the Federal Party&#039;s decision under Mulclair to pursue the old Federal Liberal strategy of alienating Albertans in order to build the B.C., Ontario and Quebec coalition and win federal government, means they have little to no chance of even forming the official opposition in Alberta in the forseeable future. I doorknocked under Chretien and I can tell you Albertans dislike Mulclair more (and that is one very low bar my friend). 

I say this not to disparage the fine members of the NDP, but to make the point I make to all progressives. This silly and petty tribalism needs to stop. The Evergreens, ALP, NDP and Alberta Party have way more in common than that which differentiates them. And they need to figure out a way to come together. 

If the Alberta Party brand and name is attractive to the Liberals who have not formed government in 80 years, then isn&#039;t it just as attractive to the NDP who have not formed government in 50 years and show no signs that they ever will? 

If the progressives in Alberta can possibly form government by coming together. And if the Alberta Party name, logo and brand are the best and most baggage free of all the parties, then isn&#039;t the solution fairly self evident? 

The details are important, but they are just details. The members need to tell their parties to wake up and get together. 

But that&#039;s just my own opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>The NDP are trying to spin that they have demonstrate massive growth over the last election, aided ably by some fine bar charts by yours truly. However, the truth is that the NDP are still the 4th party in the Legislature and are confined completely to the Edmonton region for any real hope of election. That combined with the Federal Party&#8217;s decision under Mulclair to pursue the old Federal Liberal strategy of alienating Albertans in order to build the B.C., Ontario and Quebec coalition and win federal government, means they have little to no chance of even forming the official opposition in Alberta in the forseeable future. I doorknocked under Chretien and I can tell you Albertans dislike Mulclair more (and that is one very low bar my friend). </p>
<p>I say this not to disparage the fine members of the NDP, but to make the point I make to all progressives. This silly and petty tribalism needs to stop. The Evergreens, ALP, NDP and Alberta Party have way more in common than that which differentiates them. And they need to figure out a way to come together. </p>
<p>If the Alberta Party brand and name is attractive to the Liberals who have not formed government in 80 years, then isn&#8217;t it just as attractive to the NDP who have not formed government in 50 years and show no signs that they ever will? </p>
<p>If the progressives in Alberta can possibly form government by coming together. And if the Alberta Party name, logo and brand are the best and most baggage free of all the parties, then isn&#8217;t the solution fairly self evident? </p>
<p>The details are important, but they are just details. The members need to tell their parties to wake up and get together. </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just my own opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Huff</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/09/alberta-liberal-party-merger/comment-page-1/#comment-21265</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FYI- The survey indicated that most members were NOT in favour of a merger, although many were open to some sort of collaboration or cooperation. 
A few other tidbits: we had, for the first time, more people put their name forward to serve on the provincial board than we had spots. This speaks to the commitment and dedication. Perhaps our hopes were too high and given the considerable uphill battle we faced, I think it wasn&#039;t as you state &quot;a less than stellar debut&quot;. I think it was an &quot;admirable first attempt&quot;, which we will build upon. Any party would have been blessed to have had the calibre and resourcefulness of our candidates. It was said at the AGM: &quot;Truly, no other candidates did as much with so very little.&quot;  I think we were thrown into a race before we were old enough to compete, but that doesn&#039;t mean we were less than stellar. Of course, I&#039;m biased!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI- The survey indicated that most members were NOT in favour of a merger, although many were open to some sort of collaboration or cooperation.<br />
A few other tidbits: we had, for the first time, more people put their name forward to serve on the provincial board than we had spots. This speaks to the commitment and dedication. Perhaps our hopes were too high and given the considerable uphill battle we faced, I think it wasn&#8217;t as you state &#8220;a less than stellar debut&#8221;. I think it was an &#8220;admirable first attempt&#8221;, which we will build upon. Any party would have been blessed to have had the calibre and resourcefulness of our candidates. It was said at the AGM: &#8220;Truly, no other candidates did as much with so very little.&#8221;  I think we were thrown into a race before we were old enough to compete, but that doesn&#8217;t mean we were less than stellar. Of course, I&#8217;m biased!!</p>
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