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	<title>Comments on: ralph klein is alberta&#8217;s sad story.</title>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/06/ralph-klein-order-of-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-41880</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 18:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obviously you Albertans have a very short memory, about the good things Ralph Klein did for this province.  He got Alberta out of debt, The Ralph bucks is another example, made Alberta the best and richest place to live in Canada, gave schlorships to post secondary students. Yes there were layoffs with Teachers and Nurses, but that happens everywhere, and usually they revamp those industries.  I grew up out of province where there is no jobs, high unemployment and welfare.  I couldnt even get a job at McDonalds with a grade 12 education, had to go on welfare when I was 18 and fresh out of high school to pay my bills and rent so I can have a roof over my head and food on the table,  until I found something that pays even minimum wage.  My only regret is I should had moved out to Alberta right after high school.  So I can work and save up for my post secondary education without taking out student loans. Oh well  you live you learn.  With Stelmach and Redford they really messed up Alberta&#039;s economy but we are in better shape than most provinces.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously you Albertans have a very short memory, about the good things Ralph Klein did for this province.  He got Alberta out of debt, The Ralph bucks is another example, made Alberta the best and richest place to live in Canada, gave schlorships to post secondary students. Yes there were layoffs with Teachers and Nurses, but that happens everywhere, and usually they revamp those industries.  I grew up out of province where there is no jobs, high unemployment and welfare.  I couldnt even get a job at McDonalds with a grade 12 education, had to go on welfare when I was 18 and fresh out of high school to pay my bills and rent so I can have a roof over my head and food on the table,  until I found something that pays even minimum wage.  My only regret is I should had moved out to Alberta right after high school.  So I can work and save up for my post secondary education without taking out student loans. Oh well  you live you learn.  With Stelmach and Redford they really messed up Alberta&#8217;s economy but we are in better shape than most provinces.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/06/ralph-klein-order-of-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-41467</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 20:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why kick a dead man? Better to take a look at what is now happening and look for change there. Alison is cutting budgets and destroying the public sector, building on Ed&#039;s mistakes such as removing the Health Care Premiums when most Albertans did not agree with this 1.1 billion dollar false deficit (56% of Albertans in a UofL survey wanted them back). When will we ever have a stable economy without proper royalties, diverse marketing strategies and long term mitigation for when the &quot;bubbles&quot; burst?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why kick a dead man? Better to take a look at what is now happening and look for change there. Alison is cutting budgets and destroying the public sector, building on Ed&#8217;s mistakes such as removing the Health Care Premiums when most Albertans did not agree with this 1.1 billion dollar false deficit (56% of Albertans in a UofL survey wanted them back). When will we ever have a stable economy without proper royalties, diverse marketing strategies and long term mitigation for when the &#8220;bubbles&#8221; burst?</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Rau</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/06/ralph-klein-order-of-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-37651</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Rau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Apr 2013 01:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ralph, was a one of a kind. Did he do everything perfect? No. But, no one ever does. Ralph left a legacy
not only for Calgary, for Alberta, but for Canada as well. Any one who took the time to watch or listen to the Celebration of his life, that was broadcast by CBC, heard from those he worked with in the political arena.
Many of his colleges have been interviewed over the course of the last week. Even those in the opposition, respected him, even though, they may not have always agreed with him or understood why he did things the way he did them, at least not at the time. Ralph would always greet the everyday guy, and was the very same, no matter who he was talking to. He left a legacy that his family can be proud of. Ralph has finished his race, and now because he made his peace with God, Ralph knows that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Thanks Ralph. Those of us who Christ as our Lord &amp; Saviour will be seeing you very soon. In the meantime, don&#039;t stir up too much trouble in heaven, just kidding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph, was a one of a kind. Did he do everything perfect? No. But, no one ever does. Ralph left a legacy<br />
not only for Calgary, for Alberta, but for Canada as well. Any one who took the time to watch or listen to the Celebration of his life, that was broadcast by CBC, heard from those he worked with in the political arena.<br />
Many of his colleges have been interviewed over the course of the last week. Even those in the opposition, respected him, even though, they may not have always agreed with him or understood why he did things the way he did them, at least not at the time. Ralph would always greet the everyday guy, and was the very same, no matter who he was talking to. He left a legacy that his family can be proud of. Ralph has finished his race, and now because he made his peace with God, Ralph knows that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Thanks Ralph. Those of us who Christ as our Lord &amp; Saviour will be seeing you very soon. In the meantime, don&#8217;t stir up too much trouble in heaven, just kidding.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Brassor</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/06/ralph-klein-order-of-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-36328</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Brassor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 00:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would just like to say that I thought Ralph Klein, I thought was a great man, I wished that he would have run Canada, I know that he would have cleaned up all the debt and Canadians would have been all the better for it.  I hop that Ralph rests in peace.  I meet Ralph in Edmonton years ago.  We needed him in Ontario.  Collen I am very sorry for  your loss.  I know that he will be watching over all of us.
                               Tim &amp; Suzanne Brassor  Ontario Canada]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to say that I thought Ralph Klein, I thought was a great man, I wished that he would have run Canada, I know that he would have cleaned up all the debt and Canadians would have been all the better for it.  I hop that Ralph rests in peace.  I meet Ralph in Edmonton years ago.  We needed him in Ontario.  Collen I am very sorry for  your loss.  I know that he will be watching over all of us.<br />
                               Tim &amp; Suzanne Brassor  Ontario Canada</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/06/ralph-klein-order-of-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-28231</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Lisa Klein

I am sorry that your father is as unwell as he is. It is no small thing you and your family is going through, I know. 

You should defend your father but not to the point of losing sight of reality. Many of his choices as premier were destructive and still being felt today. That is the truth. Perhaps you will one day see that if you allow time to heal some wounds and hurts of today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Lisa Klein</p>
<p>I am sorry that your father is as unwell as he is. It is no small thing you and your family is going through, I know. </p>
<p>You should defend your father but not to the point of losing sight of reality. Many of his choices as premier were destructive and still being felt today. That is the truth. Perhaps you will one day see that if you allow time to heal some wounds and hurts of today.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Klein(Pinder)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Klein(Pinder)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 05:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ralph married my Mom 40 years ago July, he has been apart of my life until one year ago when he entered long term facility.  I am still &quot;involved&quot; and no one unless you have a loved one with asphasia will never understand how heart breaking it is to have a man with so much knowledge and wisdom to not be able to have a simple conversation!!! I want to reply to the back lash and lack of knowing what was going on behind closed doors of legislature.  When you make a mistake does not someone ride you for making it, well when you are a politician, your whole family is in the light of the media and all scrutiny behind it as well from the public.  I really believe I have heard it all and now read it all...as the same you all would stand up for your fathers, I am doing the same for mine and not on his behalf all on my own accord.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions.  All I want to say is Ralph as a Premier was a legend and had this Province flowing and out of debt, now that the Province is in peril due to the past 2 Premiers well blame it on Ralph he can&#039;t defend himself and you all know very well he would if he could talk~~ So keep your opinions going cause that&#039;s what makes the world go round~~~Peace to all]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph married my Mom 40 years ago July, he has been apart of my life until one year ago when he entered long term facility.  I am still &#8220;involved&#8221; and no one unless you have a loved one with asphasia will never understand how heart breaking it is to have a man with so much knowledge and wisdom to not be able to have a simple conversation!!! I want to reply to the back lash and lack of knowing what was going on behind closed doors of legislature.  When you make a mistake does not someone ride you for making it, well when you are a politician, your whole family is in the light of the media and all scrutiny behind it as well from the public.  I really believe I have heard it all and now read it all&#8230;as the same you all would stand up for your fathers, I am doing the same for mine and not on his behalf all on my own accord.<br />
Everyone is entitled to their opinions.  All I want to say is Ralph as a Premier was a legend and had this Province flowing and out of debt, now that the Province is in peril due to the past 2 Premiers well blame it on Ralph he can&#8217;t defend himself and you all know very well he would if he could talk~~ So keep your opinions going cause that&#8217;s what makes the world go round~~~Peace to all</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/06/ralph-klein-order-of-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-18049</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 14:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lets not use Klein&#039;s dementia as a reason to rewrite the history books. I have family members suffering from this disease, and I wouldn&#039;t wish it on anyone - but the dementia itself isn&#039;t a valid reason to conveniently forget (and forgive) some of the poor decisions Klien made. 

As Dave mentioned, the cuts to Post Secondary funding during his term were directly responsible for a massive increase in tuition rates in the 1990s, early 2000s. Students prior to Klein could reasonably expect to make up their year&#039;s tuition and living expenses working summer positions - a luxury not available to most PSE students today. Our province&#039;s problems with hospital wait times can be traced to health care cuts he made - compare the number of doctors and nurses practicing in this province to what most other western countries have. As for balancing the budget, he did it during one of the largest oil booms in recent memory - so lets not get carried away saying he balanced the books all on his own. When the ledgers WERE fixed, rather than take on the deferred infrastructure maintenance, hire more nurses/doctors, open more hospital beds - we got &quot;ralphbucks&quot;  - a policy derided by almost every economist I&#039;ve come across. Finally, his public defence of Augusto Pinochet on the floor of the legislature showed a shocking lack of judgement. 

As I said, remember Klein for who he was - the good, and the bad. Recognize that not every decision he made was the right one, and that we are still in many ways suffering the after effects of his term in office. I feel for him and his family battling this disease, but rewriting history though rose coloured lenses should be avoided.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not use Klein&#8217;s dementia as a reason to rewrite the history books. I have family members suffering from this disease, and I wouldn&#8217;t wish it on anyone &#8211; but the dementia itself isn&#8217;t a valid reason to conveniently forget (and forgive) some of the poor decisions Klien made. </p>
<p>As Dave mentioned, the cuts to Post Secondary funding during his term were directly responsible for a massive increase in tuition rates in the 1990s, early 2000s. Students prior to Klein could reasonably expect to make up their year&#8217;s tuition and living expenses working summer positions &#8211; a luxury not available to most PSE students today. Our province&#8217;s problems with hospital wait times can be traced to health care cuts he made &#8211; compare the number of doctors and nurses practicing in this province to what most other western countries have. As for balancing the budget, he did it during one of the largest oil booms in recent memory &#8211; so lets not get carried away saying he balanced the books all on his own. When the ledgers WERE fixed, rather than take on the deferred infrastructure maintenance, hire more nurses/doctors, open more hospital beds &#8211; we got &#8220;ralphbucks&#8221;  &#8211; a policy derided by almost every economist I&#8217;ve come across. Finally, his public defence of Augusto Pinochet on the floor of the legislature showed a shocking lack of judgement. </p>
<p>As I said, remember Klein for who he was &#8211; the good, and the bad. Recognize that not every decision he made was the right one, and that we are still in many ways suffering the after effects of his term in office. I feel for him and his family battling this disease, but rewriting history though rose coloured lenses should be avoided.</p>
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		<title>By: margaret warrack</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/06/ralph-klein-order-of-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-18031</link>
		<dc:creator>margaret warrack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congradulations to Mr Klein on recieving his  Order of Canada well deserved to a good man, Alberta should be proud ,i know i am!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congradulations to Mr Klein on recieving his  Order of Canada well deserved to a good man, Alberta should be proud ,i know i am!</p>
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		<title>By: Alvin Finkel</title>
		<link>http://daveberta.ca/2012/06/ralph-klein-order-of-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-17955</link>
		<dc:creator>Alvin Finkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave is certainly right in suggesting that university presidents would not have been sending letters to the newspapers to defend him if he had been the student who submitted a paper filled with plagiarism at my university (Athabasca University). Then, as now--as witnessed by the revelations, which are gradually being rolled out by the CBC, that universities and colleges have felt the need to bribe the Progressive Conservative Party with taxpayers&#039; money--university presidents felt that partisan and personal considerations, not objective economic need, would determine the level of government funding they receive. So you had three presidents sending absolutely ludicrous notes to the newspapers congratulating Klein on his alleged dedication to life-long learning as a way of trying to change the issue away from that of plagiarism. Athabasca&#039;s decision to exonerate the premier of plagiarism, claiming that he had not &#039;formed the intent&#039; to plagiarize, was so obviously political that it bears little discussion. Here was a premier, a former mayor, and a life-long journalist, and he did not know what constituted plagiarism? Top officers of the university, who would not have had the slightest involvement in decisions about any other student accused of plagiarism, made the decision to exonerate Klein (with the aid of a media company hired to &quot;manage&quot; all public commentary from the university regarding the issue).

Of course, one can argue that craven university presidents, municipal leaders, and health officials who give bribes, tell lies about how well their institutions are performing to comfort the governing party, look the other way, etc. are equally to blame as Klein and his successors for the sorry ethical state of public institutions and public debate in Alberta. But until there is change at the top there won&#039;t be much change at the lower levels. The public officials at the lower levels persuade themselves that they are protecting their clientele from persecution by the provincial Tories that would surely follow failure to buckle under. That mindset is very hard to change especially since those who have that mindset are extremely well paid and have high social status.

Frankly, those who argue in favour of Klein&#039;s &quot;achievements&quot; are largely buying the statements of sycophants dependent on provincial financing, some of whom in private reiterate the critiques of those who view the &quot;Klein revolution&quot; as a financially unnecessary fraud that has created long-term problems on every front. And the beat goes on!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave is certainly right in suggesting that university presidents would not have been sending letters to the newspapers to defend him if he had been the student who submitted a paper filled with plagiarism at my university (Athabasca University). Then, as now&#8211;as witnessed by the revelations, which are gradually being rolled out by the CBC, that universities and colleges have felt the need to bribe the Progressive Conservative Party with taxpayers&#8217; money&#8211;university presidents felt that partisan and personal considerations, not objective economic need, would determine the level of government funding they receive. So you had three presidents sending absolutely ludicrous notes to the newspapers congratulating Klein on his alleged dedication to life-long learning as a way of trying to change the issue away from that of plagiarism. Athabasca&#8217;s decision to exonerate the premier of plagiarism, claiming that he had not &#8216;formed the intent&#8217; to plagiarize, was so obviously political that it bears little discussion. Here was a premier, a former mayor, and a life-long journalist, and he did not know what constituted plagiarism? Top officers of the university, who would not have had the slightest involvement in decisions about any other student accused of plagiarism, made the decision to exonerate Klein (with the aid of a media company hired to &#8220;manage&#8221; all public commentary from the university regarding the issue).</p>
<p>Of course, one can argue that craven university presidents, municipal leaders, and health officials who give bribes, tell lies about how well their institutions are performing to comfort the governing party, look the other way, etc. are equally to blame as Klein and his successors for the sorry ethical state of public institutions and public debate in Alberta. But until there is change at the top there won&#8217;t be much change at the lower levels. The public officials at the lower levels persuade themselves that they are protecting their clientele from persecution by the provincial Tories that would surely follow failure to buckle under. That mindset is very hard to change especially since those who have that mindset are extremely well paid and have high social status.</p>
<p>Frankly, those who argue in favour of Klein&#8217;s &#8220;achievements&#8221; are largely buying the statements of sycophants dependent on provincial financing, some of whom in private reiterate the critiques of those who view the &#8220;Klein revolution&#8221; as a financially unnecessary fraud that has created long-term problems on every front. And the beat goes on!</p>
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		<title>By: kerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave, this rings so true to my own feelings toward/experiences with Klein as premier. Well said. I don&#039;t think Klein&#039;s political legacy is a positive one at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, this rings so true to my own feelings toward/experiences with Klein as premier. Well said. I don&#8217;t think Klein&#8217;s political legacy is a positive one at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Stop deifying ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stop deifying ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Folks, it does not rake a rocket scientist to take a machete to the budget and deny tax payer education and access to healthcare.  Ab taxpayer money was used to train those teachers and dr.&#039;s that left AB when they got axed!  So many of you are so ideologically duped and enamourmed by his lack of thought and concience and confuse this for tough leadership.  He shifted healthcare, education and infrastructure spending onto future generations and premiers.  So what great genius is there in cold, callous, shallow and remoreseless decision making?  Any fool can do that, put on a tough talking persona.  Only in AB, the bumpkin sheeples idolize this thoughtless schoolyard bully behavior.  Give your head a shake folks, he was marginally better than Special Ed and Redfraud.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, it does not rake a rocket scientist to take a machete to the budget and deny tax payer education and access to healthcare.  Ab taxpayer money was used to train those teachers and dr.&#8217;s that left AB when they got axed!  So many of you are so ideologically duped and enamourmed by his lack of thought and concience and confuse this for tough leadership.  He shifted healthcare, education and infrastructure spending onto future generations and premiers.  So what great genius is there in cold, callous, shallow and remoreseless decision making?  Any fool can do that, put on a tough talking persona.  Only in AB, the bumpkin sheeples idolize this thoughtless schoolyard bully behavior.  Give your head a shake folks, he was marginally better than Special Ed and Redfraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Clubhouses, headlines and plagiarism &#124; Edmonton Blog Watch &#124; The Unknown Studio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clubhouses, headlines and plagiarism &#124; Edmonton Blog Watch &#124; The Unknown Studio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] In light of Ralph Klein&#8217;s forthcoming Canadian Knighthood™, Dave Cournoyer comments on the former premier&#8217;s political resume. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In light of Ralph Klein&#8217;s forthcoming Canadian Knighthood™, Dave Cournoyer comments on the former premier&#8217;s political resume. [...]</p>
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